To run 2 people in the 5V5 bracket to gather some arena points?|||you need 5 for the 5v5 bracket|||What??? You need 5 for a 5v5? How many do you need for a 3v3 or 2v2???
1v1?|||Well I know you can do 2v3 in 3v3, and 1 v 2 in 2v2, but you need 5 for 5's?
Saturday, April 21, 2012
Two Shamans for Battle Grounds?
Hi,
Me and the g/f got quite addicted to Battlegrounds when we were 38-39, but now we're both 40 we face the prospect of no BG fun for a while, so we thought we'd level some toons up for keeping in the teens maybe 20s. We both thought Shaman would be fun - any suggestions? I know they get travel form later on, but what's good for talents etc?
Any general advice appreciated :)|||resto and elemental would work or resto and enhancement|||Even at low level? They don't seem to have much dps or survivability.|||I am lvling a frost mage (36 now) and a enhance shaman (30 now). When my shaman was 27, she could finish the same quests (wetlands) faster than my mage which was 31 then. I think it was because shaman can do melee and spell damage plus the underwater breathing talent. On the other hand, my mage's spells got resisted from time to time.
Also, when my rogue (70 now) was in 20s, shamans topped the damage meter in my group.
Pros:
Ghost wolf at lvl 20.
Healing
High DPS
Underwater breathing
Lots of spells and totems
Cons:
OMG mana drainer - drink every 3 mobs. Mages have twice mana pool at the same lvl.
No CC.
Too many spells and totems.
I tried AB when my shaman was 28. It was fun to see everyone ran so slowly when I was running in ghost wolf form. When I was losing in fights, I lay down the slowing down earth totem and transformed to the wolf form and ran away... LOL.
|||What about a druid shaman combo then? I have a level 10 druid.
We were thinking to play in the 10-19 bracket so no speed :(|||I found druids kind of boring and not that great before 20-25...|||What about Shamans? They seem to do ok in BGs but I don't see how looking at their spells and talents. A 49 blew me up in like 2 hits tonight :(|||Well, he was 9 levels higher than you. That's why it's generally not a good idea to go to BG's at anything less than *6-*9 (where * is the bracket your in).
The big thought is that the 30-39 and 40-49 brackets are the Enhancement Shaman's best times in BG (when you play them right).
Unless you plan to completely twink them out, I'd go for the 20-29 bracket, as you'll get Ghostwolf (and if you get lucky, that Axe from RFK)|||Surprisingly, apart from the obviously twinked 49s I was holding my own being tanked specced, and certainly swung a few battles with a well timed heal. It was only the shaman that were literally blowing me up!|||At that level, it doesn't really matter what spec you choose as long as your communication is good and strategy is sound.
As you will be a part of a team of 10-15 rather than a 2v2 Arena group, I would actually go both Restro. Keep yourselves and your teamates healed. Just remember, be flexible. You don't have to worry about +Spell Gear or +Healing - an Enhancement Shaman throwing a heal on a companion is like 90% as effective as a Restro Shaman. Restro Shaman may have more mana, but the move itself has almost the same validity. Likewise, a Restro deals almost as much damage as an Enhancement Shaman - especially if you have a powerful +Strength 2 hander w/Windfury you can switch to.
Me and the g/f got quite addicted to Battlegrounds when we were 38-39, but now we're both 40 we face the prospect of no BG fun for a while, so we thought we'd level some toons up for keeping in the teens maybe 20s. We both thought Shaman would be fun - any suggestions? I know they get travel form later on, but what's good for talents etc?
Any general advice appreciated :)|||resto and elemental would work or resto and enhancement|||Even at low level? They don't seem to have much dps or survivability.|||I am lvling a frost mage (36 now) and a enhance shaman (30 now). When my shaman was 27, she could finish the same quests (wetlands) faster than my mage which was 31 then. I think it was because shaman can do melee and spell damage plus the underwater breathing talent. On the other hand, my mage's spells got resisted from time to time.
Also, when my rogue (70 now) was in 20s, shamans topped the damage meter in my group.
Pros:
Ghost wolf at lvl 20.
Healing
High DPS
Underwater breathing
Lots of spells and totems
Cons:
OMG mana drainer - drink every 3 mobs. Mages have twice mana pool at the same lvl.
No CC.
Too many spells and totems.
I tried AB when my shaman was 28. It was fun to see everyone ran so slowly when I was running in ghost wolf form. When I was losing in fights, I lay down the slowing down earth totem and transformed to the wolf form and ran away... LOL.
|||What about a druid shaman combo then? I have a level 10 druid.
We were thinking to play in the 10-19 bracket so no speed :(|||I found druids kind of boring and not that great before 20-25...|||What about Shamans? They seem to do ok in BGs but I don't see how looking at their spells and talents. A 49 blew me up in like 2 hits tonight :(|||Well, he was 9 levels higher than you. That's why it's generally not a good idea to go to BG's at anything less than *6-*9 (where * is the bracket your in).
The big thought is that the 30-39 and 40-49 brackets are the Enhancement Shaman's best times in BG (when you play them right).
Unless you plan to completely twink them out, I'd go for the 20-29 bracket, as you'll get Ghostwolf (and if you get lucky, that Axe from RFK)|||Surprisingly, apart from the obviously twinked 49s I was holding my own being tanked specced, and certainly swung a few battles with a well timed heal. It was only the shaman that were literally blowing me up!|||At that level, it doesn't really matter what spec you choose as long as your communication is good and strategy is sound.
As you will be a part of a team of 10-15 rather than a 2v2 Arena group, I would actually go both Restro. Keep yourselves and your teamates healed. Just remember, be flexible. You don't have to worry about +Spell Gear or +Healing - an Enhancement Shaman throwing a heal on a companion is like 90% as effective as a Restro Shaman. Restro Shaman may have more mana, but the move itself has almost the same validity. Likewise, a Restro deals almost as much damage as an Enhancement Shaman - especially if you have a powerful +Strength 2 hander w/Windfury you can switch to.
The Honor, The Boredom, The Numbers.
After playing 8 Alterac Valley's in a row with my Rogue I switched to my Paladin to cut a +8 Resilence gem for a friend.
I glanced over my Paladin's gear... a mix/mess of anything with +Healing and mp5 on regardless of cloth/leather/mail/whatever
and thought I'd go check out the proper plate healer gear to see the stats and looks.
I was impressed. My Paladin would look awesome in that "Gladiator's Ornamented" gear.
(Mmmmm, lovely.)
So I wrote down the numbers for stuff required for future reference:
Here's the totals for 10 items:
(Chest, legs, shoulders, helm, gloves, boots, neck, bracers, waist, mace.
I haven't factored in rings or trinkets.)
70 Arathi Basin marks
50 Warsong Gultch marks
50 Alterac Valley marks
70 Eye of the Storm marks
~153300 honor points. (That may be slightly off but I'm pretty sure it's close.)
(Why is there no +Heal shield that can be purchased with honor points?)
Suffice to say the appeal of the gear dropped slightly.
I worked out that I can earn around 7000 honor a day, taking roughly 4/5 hours.
153300 / 7000 = 22 days.
If I were to commit to 9000 honor a day it'd be 17 days.
So... my questions are:
How many of you have actually done this? (And remained sane.)
Should I wait for the next patch or start chipping away at the honor requirements now? (Will the next patch make things easier or worse?)
How are PvE rewards in comparisson and would they take even longer to acquire?
Any tips for making the grind less.... annoyingly dull.|||hahah m8 your a legend. i have nearly the full set plus the mace. just about to buy bracers woop.
It does look very nice and is better than most of the stuff that drops in kara for a holy pally.
I work full time so i dont have much spare time, how ever spending most of my days off grinding honor when i can it didnt take too long. Although i had 1 really lucky day where i got like 50 eots marks haha.
But i didnt stay sane, infact i completely lost the plot lol.
After i get the bracers tommorow, i will retire from pvp. Well until wrath of the lichking and the lvl 80 stuff hits the shelves. God i must be insane.
But the best thing about the pvp stuff is......ITS GARANTEED, i wanted the plate chest i remeber from ramparts, i did 14 runs and it didnt drop. Thats my point, pvp might take a while but at least you are garanteed amazing gear after the grind.
Dont wait.. start now , otherwise you will always be waiting for better gear, so to speak.
Tip for making it less boring.... Yes. Put wow in window mode and watch DVDs while playing. haha thats what. i did. i got through the entire series of family guy and planet earth.
Good luck my friend.
All i will say is that it is well worth it. You look seriously cool and stats are insane. ;|||Ahh savier, you inspire me!
Alas, my internet connection is poor this weekend.
(Damn you NTL/VirginMedia, EVERY weekend this happens!)
Thankfully my Paladin has quite a few Marks from various BG's in her bags
but 70 EOTS Marks... *sighs*... I hate that BG.
I guess I'll start tomorrow when my connection improves.
I want to buy the most expensive item first and get it out of the way...
does that make sense to anyone else?|||Quote:
I want to buy the most expensive item first and get it out of the way...
does that make sense to anyone else?
I upgrade first by what gives the biggest boost from my prievious gear.|||Actually, depending upon which is your favorite BG the marks are the least of your problems. I actually like AV/AB and hate wsg/eye so those marks are a pain.
I think the honor numbers are the same for your gear regardless of which class.
The general guideline is to get the marks, then grind AV (or whatever weekend it is for a change) until your eyes bleed.|||Quote:
...
The general guideline is to get the marks
...
Preferably in a pre-made. Helps a lot.|||I have done the equivalent of that grind on 3 characters now.|||Quote:
Preferably in a pre-made. Helps a lot.
Indeed
I also noticed the op is assuming 7k honor per day. That's a bit more than I play, but I'm pretty casual. To help eleviate the boredom just figure that at 7k honor per day you'll be getting a piece every other day, sometimes more frequently due to left over honor. So instead of sweating a 22 grind to get it all done look at it more like one of your dailies and instead of money you get "teh epix!!!!!111oneoneone"|||my priest is 3/5 s1(has 2/5 of the +heal s1) and 2/5 S3
than all the veterans pieces but ring, and the vindicator ring.
you'd be amazed how quickly the honor and tokens roll in if you quit wasting time...get in with a solid premade and 1500+honor an hour is easy in AB/EOTS.
My priest has 3 PvP mounts, everything is Glad/Veterans or better except the weapons and 1 ring. And he has 100 of each mark...but only 9k honor...almost enough for the 2nd ring than its the weapons.../sigh to bad im about to shelve the dwarf shadowpriest in favor of my quickly leveling UD Warlock whom is a smudge of exp shy of lvl 55.|||Quote:
The general guideline is to get the marks, then grind AV (or whatever weekend it is for a change) until your eyes bleed.
Indeed ^^
AV still gives the most honour, even if it's another PvP weekend.
A few tips:
- Engage in arena fights every week. You may get a single S2 piece in a month or so but it saves you grinding. It looks the same (weapon), has better stats and arena only takes 10 times 3 minutes a week. 5 vs 5 gives the most arena points but even 2 vs 2 at low rating is ok.
- Do the daily PvP. It gets you extra honour and some money as well and accumulates tokens.
I glanced over my Paladin's gear... a mix/mess of anything with +Healing and mp5 on regardless of cloth/leather/mail/whatever
and thought I'd go check out the proper plate healer gear to see the stats and looks.
I was impressed. My Paladin would look awesome in that "Gladiator's Ornamented" gear.
(Mmmmm, lovely.)
So I wrote down the numbers for stuff required for future reference:
Here's the totals for 10 items:
(Chest, legs, shoulders, helm, gloves, boots, neck, bracers, waist, mace.
I haven't factored in rings or trinkets.)
70 Arathi Basin marks
50 Warsong Gultch marks
50 Alterac Valley marks
70 Eye of the Storm marks
~153300 honor points. (That may be slightly off but I'm pretty sure it's close.)
(Why is there no +Heal shield that can be purchased with honor points?)
Suffice to say the appeal of the gear dropped slightly.
I worked out that I can earn around 7000 honor a day, taking roughly 4/5 hours.
153300 / 7000 = 22 days.
If I were to commit to 9000 honor a day it'd be 17 days.
So... my questions are:
How many of you have actually done this? (And remained sane.)
Should I wait for the next patch or start chipping away at the honor requirements now? (Will the next patch make things easier or worse?)
How are PvE rewards in comparisson and would they take even longer to acquire?
Any tips for making the grind less.... annoyingly dull.|||hahah m8 your a legend. i have nearly the full set plus the mace. just about to buy bracers woop.
It does look very nice and is better than most of the stuff that drops in kara for a holy pally.
I work full time so i dont have much spare time, how ever spending most of my days off grinding honor when i can it didnt take too long. Although i had 1 really lucky day where i got like 50 eots marks haha.
But i didnt stay sane, infact i completely lost the plot lol.
After i get the bracers tommorow, i will retire from pvp. Well until wrath of the lichking and the lvl 80 stuff hits the shelves. God i must be insane.
But the best thing about the pvp stuff is......ITS GARANTEED, i wanted the plate chest i remeber from ramparts, i did 14 runs and it didnt drop. Thats my point, pvp might take a while but at least you are garanteed amazing gear after the grind.
Dont wait.. start now , otherwise you will always be waiting for better gear, so to speak.
Tip for making it less boring.... Yes. Put wow in window mode and watch DVDs while playing. haha thats what. i did. i got through the entire series of family guy and planet earth.
Good luck my friend.
All i will say is that it is well worth it. You look seriously cool and stats are insane. ;|||Ahh savier, you inspire me!
Alas, my internet connection is poor this weekend.
(Damn you NTL/VirginMedia, EVERY weekend this happens!)
Thankfully my Paladin has quite a few Marks from various BG's in her bags
but 70 EOTS Marks... *sighs*... I hate that BG.
I guess I'll start tomorrow when my connection improves.
I want to buy the most expensive item first and get it out of the way...
does that make sense to anyone else?|||Quote:
I want to buy the most expensive item first and get it out of the way...
does that make sense to anyone else?
I upgrade first by what gives the biggest boost from my prievious gear.|||Actually, depending upon which is your favorite BG the marks are the least of your problems. I actually like AV/AB and hate wsg/eye so those marks are a pain.
I think the honor numbers are the same for your gear regardless of which class.
The general guideline is to get the marks, then grind AV (or whatever weekend it is for a change) until your eyes bleed.|||Quote:
...
The general guideline is to get the marks
...
Preferably in a pre-made. Helps a lot.|||I have done the equivalent of that grind on 3 characters now.|||Quote:
Preferably in a pre-made. Helps a lot.
Indeed
I also noticed the op is assuming 7k honor per day. That's a bit more than I play, but I'm pretty casual. To help eleviate the boredom just figure that at 7k honor per day you'll be getting a piece every other day, sometimes more frequently due to left over honor. So instead of sweating a 22 grind to get it all done look at it more like one of your dailies and instead of money you get "teh epix!!!!!111oneoneone"|||my priest is 3/5 s1(has 2/5 of the +heal s1) and 2/5 S3
than all the veterans pieces but ring, and the vindicator ring.
you'd be amazed how quickly the honor and tokens roll in if you quit wasting time...get in with a solid premade and 1500+honor an hour is easy in AB/EOTS.
My priest has 3 PvP mounts, everything is Glad/Veterans or better except the weapons and 1 ring. And he has 100 of each mark...but only 9k honor...almost enough for the 2nd ring than its the weapons.../sigh to bad im about to shelve the dwarf shadowpriest in favor of my quickly leveling UD Warlock whom is a smudge of exp shy of lvl 55.|||Quote:
The general guideline is to get the marks, then grind AV (or whatever weekend it is for a change) until your eyes bleed.
Indeed ^^
AV still gives the most honour, even if it's another PvP weekend.
A few tips:
- Engage in arena fights every week. You may get a single S2 piece in a month or so but it saves you grinding. It looks the same (weapon), has better stats and arena only takes 10 times 3 minutes a week. 5 vs 5 gives the most arena points but even 2 vs 2 at low rating is ok.
- Do the daily PvP. It gets you extra honour and some money as well and accumulates tokens.
Undead or Tauren Warrior? PVP
Hey ive been wondering which race is better for Arena,BG's,ect Tauren or Undead?|||tauren
:)|||5% stam increase to an allready high buttload of stam is nice.|||Orc > both tbh.|||LIES stun resist is nothing. Id rather have warstomp and +5% health|||Apart from that, Tauren do pretty well on the intimidation aspect. I mean, what's scarier, a huge bull-man charging at you or a small hunched back skeleton/zombie type of guy?|||Quote:
LIES stun resist is nothing. Id rather have warstomp and +5% health
It's not the stun resist alone, it's the ability to wipe off wound poison stacks from poison rogues (thus your team can cleanse off crip with some degree of reliability).|||Here's how I'd rate Horde for warriors for PvP
Orc > Tauren > Troll > Undead
1. Orc - Stun Resistance... you'll find that you have a much easier now that one of the easiest ways to shut you down is no longer viable. And Berserking Fury is a mini-Berserk that, if played well, makes it a worthy tool in and of itself.
2. Tauren - The extra hps when you have 13k-17k is very noticable. It amounts to a 2nd Fortitude Buff by a maxed out priest. Not to mention Warstomp gives you an extra interrupt/escape tool, something warriors do not have an abundence of.
3. Troll - Funny thing is, if you play Berserk right, it can turn you into an absolute nightmare in a 1v1 or even 2v1 situation for 10 seconds. You pop it at 30% life, and you'll gain even more than Bloodlust.
4. Undead - Ironically, I think they're the worst PvP race for a warrior, Horde-side. Between Berserker Rage and the 2 minute PvP trinket, WOTF is not nearly as useful for warriors as it is for other classes.
:)|||5% stam increase to an allready high buttload of stam is nice.|||Orc > both tbh.|||LIES stun resist is nothing. Id rather have warstomp and +5% health|||Apart from that, Tauren do pretty well on the intimidation aspect. I mean, what's scarier, a huge bull-man charging at you or a small hunched back skeleton/zombie type of guy?|||Quote:
LIES stun resist is nothing. Id rather have warstomp and +5% health
It's not the stun resist alone, it's the ability to wipe off wound poison stacks from poison rogues (thus your team can cleanse off crip with some degree of reliability).|||Here's how I'd rate Horde for warriors for PvP
Orc > Tauren > Troll > Undead
1. Orc - Stun Resistance... you'll find that you have a much easier now that one of the easiest ways to shut you down is no longer viable. And Berserking Fury is a mini-Berserk that, if played well, makes it a worthy tool in and of itself.
2. Tauren - The extra hps when you have 13k-17k is very noticable. It amounts to a 2nd Fortitude Buff by a maxed out priest. Not to mention Warstomp gives you an extra interrupt/escape tool, something warriors do not have an abundence of.
3. Troll - Funny thing is, if you play Berserk right, it can turn you into an absolute nightmare in a 1v1 or even 2v1 situation for 10 seconds. You pop it at 30% life, and you'll gain even more than Bloodlust.
4. Undead - Ironically, I think they're the worst PvP race for a warrior, Horde-side. Between Berserker Rage and the 2 minute PvP trinket, WOTF is not nearly as useful for warriors as it is for other classes.
Why world PvP SHOULDN'T suck in WoW
Still can't get my head around the idea that world PvP in WoW is all but useless as far as rewards, where going out and hunting in enemy territory often against greater number is all but worthless. You'll never get amazing fights like this in a BG because you simply can't get 6 Vs 17 in there :(
First one is a little smaller just to give you an idea:
http://www.rynoth.com/movies/dom6vsmany.avi
This one is huge, but in glorious quality. Group of 6 take on 17 WITH the enemy zerging. Was really hoping for more of this in WoW when I came over :(
http://www.denofmadness.com/e107_plu...topic.php?5033|||meh, you can sure get 6vs 17 in a BG..,
Just get two healer friends, a couple of warriors, you and a druid (root) to FW or SP GY, and there you got it!.
Though I agree, world pvp outnumbered battles are way cooler.
Check the druid+warr smashing an BWL raid outside BRM before TBC. Now there's some world pvp :)
Wheeliechamp is the name of the warrior.|||*Wheeliecool and Champ|||Where would I find this? Is there a video? Love watching PvP vids, best way to learn other classes :)|||hrrm, it starts with warcraft, ends with movies. dont say i told.
It's very long though, about 40 minutes, and if you played some 2v2 against warr+druid you will recognise a lot of it...
Though before TBC, it was a gamebreaking in the use of warr+dru synergi.|||Another reason for or how to make world PvP better - contested epics. They were fighting for 3-4 hours non-stop last night:
External site with bad language :)|||Well imo the problem with world PvP is that on most servers the alliance population is twice the number of the horde population.
For instance, on my server Halaa is alliance in 95% of the cases. Try to cap it and you're thrown out pretty quickly just because you're outnumbered.
Same for the Hellfire PvP daily. As hordie the only way you can do this is �r asking the whole guild to help �r do it at 4 AM.
Yes it's nice to have a few skilled and well-geared players defeating a host of enemies, but that's not what 99,99% of world PvP is like.
That's why BGs are better; at least you start off with approxiomately the same numbers.
A good idea would be to give horde yet another attractive race in the next expansion and to give alliance something silly. Only when the factios are 50-50 world PvP would become a nice alternative.|||Quote:
on most servers the alliance population is twice the number of the horde population.
Not on mine. And I only had to check out the next server on the list to see an opposite situation. So it's actually pretty far from "most".
Quote:
A good idea would be to give horde yet another attractive race
I didn't know they have one. Blood elves disgust me more than my undead priest does.
This just to show another thing that might as well be counterproductive with your proposed changes.|||Being outnumbered = more kills over there. The best players, the ones that want PvP, PvP gear and (something like) respect all roll on the outnumbered team.
And undead females are the hottest in game - fact.|||Quote:
The best players, the ones that want PvP, PvP gear and (something like) respect all roll on the outnumbered team.
This is the kind of thinking that has convinced me to stick to the alliance, since everyone I've met on the horde seems to repeat this same mantra.
Even when the alliance is actually the outnumbered side, like on my server.
Quote:
And undead females are the hottest in game
And I never said my priest was female. (Assuming this was a response to my post)
First one is a little smaller just to give you an idea:
http://www.rynoth.com/movies/dom6vsmany.avi
This one is huge, but in glorious quality. Group of 6 take on 17 WITH the enemy zerging. Was really hoping for more of this in WoW when I came over :(
http://www.denofmadness.com/e107_plu...topic.php?5033|||meh, you can sure get 6vs 17 in a BG..,
Just get two healer friends, a couple of warriors, you and a druid (root) to FW or SP GY, and there you got it!.
Though I agree, world pvp outnumbered battles are way cooler.
Check the druid+warr smashing an BWL raid outside BRM before TBC. Now there's some world pvp :)
Wheeliechamp is the name of the warrior.|||*Wheeliecool and Champ|||Where would I find this? Is there a video? Love watching PvP vids, best way to learn other classes :)|||hrrm, it starts with warcraft, ends with movies. dont say i told.
It's very long though, about 40 minutes, and if you played some 2v2 against warr+druid you will recognise a lot of it...
Though before TBC, it was a gamebreaking in the use of warr+dru synergi.|||Another reason for or how to make world PvP better - contested epics. They were fighting for 3-4 hours non-stop last night:
External site with bad language :)|||Well imo the problem with world PvP is that on most servers the alliance population is twice the number of the horde population.
For instance, on my server Halaa is alliance in 95% of the cases. Try to cap it and you're thrown out pretty quickly just because you're outnumbered.
Same for the Hellfire PvP daily. As hordie the only way you can do this is �r asking the whole guild to help �r do it at 4 AM.
Yes it's nice to have a few skilled and well-geared players defeating a host of enemies, but that's not what 99,99% of world PvP is like.
That's why BGs are better; at least you start off with approxiomately the same numbers.
A good idea would be to give horde yet another attractive race in the next expansion and to give alliance something silly. Only when the factios are 50-50 world PvP would become a nice alternative.|||Quote:
on most servers the alliance population is twice the number of the horde population.
Not on mine. And I only had to check out the next server on the list to see an opposite situation. So it's actually pretty far from "most".
Quote:
A good idea would be to give horde yet another attractive race
I didn't know they have one. Blood elves disgust me more than my undead priest does.
This just to show another thing that might as well be counterproductive with your proposed changes.|||Being outnumbered = more kills over there. The best players, the ones that want PvP, PvP gear and (something like) respect all roll on the outnumbered team.
And undead females are the hottest in game - fact.|||Quote:
The best players, the ones that want PvP, PvP gear and (something like) respect all roll on the outnumbered team.
This is the kind of thinking that has convinced me to stick to the alliance, since everyone I've met on the horde seems to repeat this same mantra.
Even when the alliance is actually the outnumbered side, like on my server.
Quote:
And undead females are the hottest in game
And I never said my priest was female. (Assuming this was a response to my post)
Using a keyboard instead of Mouse (not a 'which is better' thread)
Hi guys
This is not a thread about asking which is better, using a mouse or keyboard. I know that using a mouse is more precise, but... I bought a really good gaming mouse, tried to use it more than several times, and it's just not for me.
For one, I play on a laptop, so usually I'm on a sofa with my laptop on my lap. No room for an external mouse next to me. I've tried putting a book next to me and put a mouse pad on top of it...
But I just suck with the mouse, yes turning is very quick I love that, but I'm all over the place in a close fight, and not being able to back up is an issue (my other hand is busy on my action and macro keys, and with my other hand on the mouse... ) I suppose I could program one of my mouse keys as the backup key, but still... I'm very unprecise in my movements and positioning when using a mouse, and again, with a laptop on a coach, it just doesn't work out to well.
So.. my question is for people WHO USE A KEYBOARD and to try to get some advice on making that more precise.
I don't mean about which key you bind to what... I'm a lefty so it's different for me anyway. I use the arrow keys to move, and my left hand is the one that presses all the buttons.
My question pertains to trying to do something similar that you can do with a mouse, which is be able to 'view' for example 180 degrees and then turn that way.
I know with the arrow keys it takes longer to turn than with a mouse as it's not instant, but has anyone figured out a way (or is there some kind of addon) that perhaps helps with this?
Such as a keybinding that would maybe view left 90 degrees each time you press it (and another key that would view right 90 degrees on each press), and then moving forward would instantly make you go in that direction (assuming you were still holding that 'view' key)
I think that would be very useful if such an addon existed, or if there was a way to set that up some how.
Nidanone|||oh , another "leftie"
I dont use my mouse to move (though i tend to "doublepress" and quick turn sometimes)..... one big tip i can hand to you is to use the keypad for moving (5,8,4,6) and use the arrows for macros/targeting/triknets/whatever , easy reached by the thumb.That way i can be a "semi mouser" with my most used spells/abilitys/macros tied to arrow keys.
You can bind the other keypad keys to different uses too...like i got 7 for jump , 0 for autorun etc,etc,etc
A classic move i use withtthe rogue is "jumpturn" , i slap my 7 key and doublepress the mouse and twitch around , its so in my fingers i almoast cant jump anymore without turning|||Why is this in the PvP thread? Not a big deal but it is ironic because not using a mouse is not a huge deal in PvE but a death sentence in PvP. I sometimes use just the keyboard while I am eating or something but if I encounter an enemy toon than the food gets dropped and my hand reaches for the mouse. Which is usually too late...|||That's why it's in the PVP thread... I like PVP, but I haven't been able to get used to using a mouse to play.
So I'm trying to get advice from others who may be using the keyboard to PVP and see how they manage.
Again, I know that using a mouse is way better, but maybe with some tricks the keyboard can come close, I don't know.|||well , i played wow since beta , and did MUCH pvp with different characters....tryed to be a "mouser" several times but never got a hang of it (much because im a lefthander and keyboard isnt really designed for my playstyle, no matter where i put my right hand i seem to doublepress witht humb etc...etc)
I cant really say im "bad" at pvp (and with the rogue is much of controlling to be sucessfull) ..... moving with keys works , and can work good too despite of what all other "pros" say.
Just adept to it with the right skills/macros in reach of your thumb , and use a target key (very important) never ever click to target anything since you have to move your mouse from your "click area" , get a good setup on screen for the buttons (well , i use standard now but thats just from lazyness ) .... and i guess a good mouse is important too (Logi G3 is suiatable for us lefties with buttons we can reach)|||The problem is you're playing a rogue - one of the classes where fine tuning of movement actually is of the utmost importance.
For a mage, it doesn't make a huge difference whether you blast a fireball from 22 yards or 28 yards. The end result is the same.
To a rogue, being on 5 yards or on 11 yards makes the difference between not doing any damage at all and murderising someone.|||Quote:
I cant really say im "bad" at pvp
Thats a poor measurement. Maybe you are good at PvP, but just think how great you could be if you used a mouse as well! I am a lefthander and use my left hand for the keyboard and my right for the mouse...|||Quote:
Thats a poor measurement. Maybe you are good at PvP, but just think how great you could be if you used a mouse as well! I am a lefthander and use my left hand for the keyboard and my right for the mouse...
Oh hell , that is impossible for me i guess , i cant even pick my nose with right hand
And trust me i tryed to become a mouser , but my system works very well for me i guess and i thought i could share it.
And about my own measurment of pvp godness is that ive done it for 2.5 years or longer , rarley loose (xept if i get jumped by a better(counterclass) player that is ) , that goes for most of my characters ... but its witht the rogue i feel somehow handicaped by not mousemoving .... but usually i beat the "frantic running/strafing/jumping(stress) rogues" , just keep a cool head and you usually win anyways.|||Use this on the couch - no need for a book next to you or whatever, get into what ever slouched postion you want :)
Or one of these :)
|||wow those look cool. And I can imagine having better precision with a rolling ball than a mouse I move around.
Do you know what model/product #'s the above are so I can google them?
I have the Logitech MX Revolution now which is still like brand new, I may just sell that and try one of the above.
Thanks
This is not a thread about asking which is better, using a mouse or keyboard. I know that using a mouse is more precise, but... I bought a really good gaming mouse, tried to use it more than several times, and it's just not for me.
For one, I play on a laptop, so usually I'm on a sofa with my laptop on my lap. No room for an external mouse next to me. I've tried putting a book next to me and put a mouse pad on top of it...
But I just suck with the mouse, yes turning is very quick I love that, but I'm all over the place in a close fight, and not being able to back up is an issue (my other hand is busy on my action and macro keys, and with my other hand on the mouse... ) I suppose I could program one of my mouse keys as the backup key, but still... I'm very unprecise in my movements and positioning when using a mouse, and again, with a laptop on a coach, it just doesn't work out to well.
So.. my question is for people WHO USE A KEYBOARD and to try to get some advice on making that more precise.
I don't mean about which key you bind to what... I'm a lefty so it's different for me anyway. I use the arrow keys to move, and my left hand is the one that presses all the buttons.
My question pertains to trying to do something similar that you can do with a mouse, which is be able to 'view' for example 180 degrees and then turn that way.
I know with the arrow keys it takes longer to turn than with a mouse as it's not instant, but has anyone figured out a way (or is there some kind of addon) that perhaps helps with this?
Such as a keybinding that would maybe view left 90 degrees each time you press it (and another key that would view right 90 degrees on each press), and then moving forward would instantly make you go in that direction (assuming you were still holding that 'view' key)
I think that would be very useful if such an addon existed, or if there was a way to set that up some how.
Nidanone|||oh , another "leftie"
I dont use my mouse to move (though i tend to "doublepress" and quick turn sometimes)..... one big tip i can hand to you is to use the keypad for moving (5,8,4,6) and use the arrows for macros/targeting/triknets/whatever , easy reached by the thumb.That way i can be a "semi mouser" with my most used spells/abilitys/macros tied to arrow keys.
You can bind the other keypad keys to different uses too...like i got 7 for jump , 0 for autorun etc,etc,etc
A classic move i use withtthe rogue is "jumpturn" , i slap my 7 key and doublepress the mouse and twitch around , its so in my fingers i almoast cant jump anymore without turning|||Why is this in the PvP thread? Not a big deal but it is ironic because not using a mouse is not a huge deal in PvE but a death sentence in PvP. I sometimes use just the keyboard while I am eating or something but if I encounter an enemy toon than the food gets dropped and my hand reaches for the mouse. Which is usually too late...|||That's why it's in the PVP thread... I like PVP, but I haven't been able to get used to using a mouse to play.
So I'm trying to get advice from others who may be using the keyboard to PVP and see how they manage.
Again, I know that using a mouse is way better, but maybe with some tricks the keyboard can come close, I don't know.|||well , i played wow since beta , and did MUCH pvp with different characters....tryed to be a "mouser" several times but never got a hang of it (much because im a lefthander and keyboard isnt really designed for my playstyle, no matter where i put my right hand i seem to doublepress witht humb etc...etc)
I cant really say im "bad" at pvp (and with the rogue is much of controlling to be sucessfull) ..... moving with keys works , and can work good too despite of what all other "pros" say.
Just adept to it with the right skills/macros in reach of your thumb , and use a target key (very important) never ever click to target anything since you have to move your mouse from your "click area" , get a good setup on screen for the buttons (well , i use standard now but thats just from lazyness ) .... and i guess a good mouse is important too (Logi G3 is suiatable for us lefties with buttons we can reach)|||The problem is you're playing a rogue - one of the classes where fine tuning of movement actually is of the utmost importance.
For a mage, it doesn't make a huge difference whether you blast a fireball from 22 yards or 28 yards. The end result is the same.
To a rogue, being on 5 yards or on 11 yards makes the difference between not doing any damage at all and murderising someone.|||Quote:
I cant really say im "bad" at pvp
Thats a poor measurement. Maybe you are good at PvP, but just think how great you could be if you used a mouse as well! I am a lefthander and use my left hand for the keyboard and my right for the mouse...|||Quote:
Thats a poor measurement. Maybe you are good at PvP, but just think how great you could be if you used a mouse as well! I am a lefthander and use my left hand for the keyboard and my right for the mouse...
Oh hell , that is impossible for me i guess , i cant even pick my nose with right hand
And trust me i tryed to become a mouser , but my system works very well for me i guess and i thought i could share it.
And about my own measurment of pvp godness is that ive done it for 2.5 years or longer , rarley loose (xept if i get jumped by a better(counterclass) player that is ) , that goes for most of my characters ... but its witht the rogue i feel somehow handicaped by not mousemoving .... but usually i beat the "frantic running/strafing/jumping(stress) rogues" , just keep a cool head and you usually win anyways.|||Use this on the couch - no need for a book next to you or whatever, get into what ever slouched postion you want :)
Or one of these :)
|||wow those look cool. And I can imagine having better precision with a rolling ball than a mouse I move around.
Do you know what model/product #'s the above are so I can google them?
I have the Logitech MX Revolution now which is still like brand new, I may just sell that and try one of the above.
Thanks
Arena Q's for a nub
Hey, have never done arena.But have some Q's.
1)Do you have to be lvl 70 to gain arena points?
2)Do you have to have a team already made to earn points? or can you just wait in a Q like BG and get matched up.??
TY|||Quote:
Hey, have never done arena.But have some Q's.
1)Do you have to be lvl 70 to gain arena points?
2)Do you have to have a team already made to earn points? or can you just wait in a Q like BG and get matched up.??
TY
#1 yes you do need to be lvl 70 to do arena.
Prior to that you can do squirmishes (sorry if I spelled this word wrong). In there you basicaly get a feel for what arena will be once your char hits 70. The disadvantage is these give you no arena points.
#2 you do need to be in a team prior to going in. You can either start your own team and invite a friend / guildie/ etc. Or you can join a friend's team.
If you start your own team you will need 1 more signature for a 2 v 2, 2 more for 3 v 3, and 4 more for 5 v 5.
Hope I was able to help you answer your questions|||Quote:
#1 yes you do need to be lvl 70 to do arena.
Prior to that you can do squirmishes (sorry if I spelled this word wrong). In there you basicaly get a feel for what arena will be once your char hits 70. The disadvantage is these give you no arena points.
#2 you do need to be in a team prior to going in. You can either start your own team and invite a friend / guildie/ etc. Or you can join a friend's team.
If you start your own team you will need 1 more signature for a 2 v 2, 2 more for 3 v 3, and 4 more for 5 v 5.
Hope I was able to help you answer your questions
Thank you.Good thing i started BG's.will gear up for arena at 70.thanks.|||Quote:
Thank you.Good thing i started BG's.will gear up for arena at 70.thanks.
Once you start doing arena a good place to then check how much points you'll be getting for the week is at:
http://www.wowarmory.com/arena-calculator.xml
1)Do you have to be lvl 70 to gain arena points?
2)Do you have to have a team already made to earn points? or can you just wait in a Q like BG and get matched up.??
TY|||Quote:
Hey, have never done arena.But have some Q's.
1)Do you have to be lvl 70 to gain arena points?
2)Do you have to have a team already made to earn points? or can you just wait in a Q like BG and get matched up.??
TY
#1 yes you do need to be lvl 70 to do arena.
Prior to that you can do squirmishes (sorry if I spelled this word wrong). In there you basicaly get a feel for what arena will be once your char hits 70. The disadvantage is these give you no arena points.
#2 you do need to be in a team prior to going in. You can either start your own team and invite a friend / guildie/ etc. Or you can join a friend's team.
If you start your own team you will need 1 more signature for a 2 v 2, 2 more for 3 v 3, and 4 more for 5 v 5.
Hope I was able to help you answer your questions|||Quote:
#1 yes you do need to be lvl 70 to do arena.
Prior to that you can do squirmishes (sorry if I spelled this word wrong). In there you basicaly get a feel for what arena will be once your char hits 70. The disadvantage is these give you no arena points.
#2 you do need to be in a team prior to going in. You can either start your own team and invite a friend / guildie/ etc. Or you can join a friend's team.
If you start your own team you will need 1 more signature for a 2 v 2, 2 more for 3 v 3, and 4 more for 5 v 5.
Hope I was able to help you answer your questions
Thank you.Good thing i started BG's.will gear up for arena at 70.thanks.|||Quote:
Thank you.Good thing i started BG's.will gear up for arena at 70.thanks.
Once you start doing arena a good place to then check how much points you'll be getting for the week is at:
http://www.wowarmory.com/arena-calculator.xml
My Twink Warrior needs Help???
Hello,
I have a lvl 19 Night Elf Warrior and i was wondeirng if i could get comments on my armor. I know some of it is not that good but feel free to post comments or any minor to extreme changes.
Armor---
Head-Green Tinted Goggles/ no ench yet
Neck- PvP reward in wsg
shoulders-serpent shoulders / no ench
cloak- glowing lizard scale cloak/ +50 armor
chest- defender tunic fo the bear/ no ench
bracers- defender bracers of the bear / +5 str
gloves- thorbia's gauntlets/ no ench
waist- belt of fang, i need advice on a belt
legs chausses of westfall/ no ench
feet- outrunnersslippers of the whale/ +5 stam
rings- demon band and seal of wyrn
trinkets- minor recombobulator and i need another trinket
Wepons---
Skeletal club/ Firey
Redbeard's Crest/ +5 stam
and other setup
Cruel Barb/ no ench plan for icy
redbeard's crest/ +5 Stam
Well i know most doesnt hav enchants so can someone help me get good enchants. Or if there r better armor or weps i can use please tell me.
If you wanna meet me in person i play on vek'nilash and my name is arthass
Thanks
I have a lvl 19 Night Elf Warrior and i was wondeirng if i could get comments on my armor. I know some of it is not that good but feel free to post comments or any minor to extreme changes.
Armor---
Head-Green Tinted Goggles/ no ench yet
Neck- PvP reward in wsg
shoulders-serpent shoulders / no ench
cloak- glowing lizard scale cloak/ +50 armor
chest- defender tunic fo the bear/ no ench
bracers- defender bracers of the bear / +5 str
gloves- thorbia's gauntlets/ no ench
waist- belt of fang, i need advice on a belt
legs chausses of westfall/ no ench
feet- outrunnersslippers of the whale/ +5 stam
rings- demon band and seal of wyrn
trinkets- minor recombobulator and i need another trinket
Wepons---
Skeletal club/ Firey
Redbeard's Crest/ +5 stam
and other setup
Cruel Barb/ no ench plan for icy
redbeard's crest/ +5 Stam
Well i know most doesnt hav enchants so can someone help me get good enchants. Or if there r better armor or weps i can use please tell me.
If you wanna meet me in person i play on vek'nilash and my name is arthass
Thanks
Arena points Distribution
Quick question, for arena points doesn't it only take in your team with highest rating/points? and not all of them?|||if you are asking wether or not you get poitns from 2v2, 3v3, and 5v5 at the same time the answer is no. You get points from whatever ranking will yield you the most points which usually winds up being your 5v5 team.
B00MK1N PvP
ok, so how are boomkin in PvP? i am lvl 38 balance druid nd im doin ok but are we good later?|||depends entirely on player skills...
But generally, resto is better.
A hybrid build is also good. (34/0/27 or something similar.)|||I've heard they can be pretty dangerous, but I've always regarded them as free kills on my holy priests and my rogues (I have both at Horde and Alliance. It seems at Alliance side there are a lot of clueless people playing BG with a boomkin)|||I have never fought one in BG's ever and I've been playing this game for years. I wish I could vote but I can't really.|||Boomkin? S'that?|||Quote:
depends entirely on player skills...
But generally, resto is better.
A hybrid build is also good. (34/0/27 or something similar.)
Depends entirely on players gear*
Fixed.|||Quote:
Depends entirely on players gear*
Fixed.
nah, skills as boomkin is important, at least on an equal factor... to be able to throw all CCs around, MF everyone, as well as avoiding damage and pushbacks...|||Coupled with high player skill and gear, a good boomkin is virtually unstoppable.
This, however - can be said about any other class.
Easymode? Sometimes. Domination? See above.|||only reason I didnt vote bah is moonfire spam.|||Quote:
Boomkin? S'that?
its the fat wobbly owl thing.
But generally, resto is better.
A hybrid build is also good. (34/0/27 or something similar.)|||I've heard they can be pretty dangerous, but I've always regarded them as free kills on my holy priests and my rogues (I have both at Horde and Alliance. It seems at Alliance side there are a lot of clueless people playing BG with a boomkin)|||I have never fought one in BG's ever and I've been playing this game for years. I wish I could vote but I can't really.|||Boomkin? S'that?|||Quote:
depends entirely on player skills...
But generally, resto is better.
A hybrid build is also good. (34/0/27 or something similar.)
Depends entirely on players gear*
Fixed.|||Quote:
Depends entirely on players gear*
Fixed.
nah, skills as boomkin is important, at least on an equal factor... to be able to throw all CCs around, MF everyone, as well as avoiding damage and pushbacks...|||Coupled with high player skill and gear, a good boomkin is virtually unstoppable.
This, however - can be said about any other class.
Easymode? Sometimes. Domination? See above.|||only reason I didnt vote bah is moonfire spam.|||Quote:
Boomkin? S'that?
its the fat wobbly owl thing.
Ret Pally now viable in Arena?!?
I�ve been gone seven months...
Back when i played wow, ret pally in arena was laughable, practically asking to be made fun of.
Now I�ve returned and a friend says that if my seal procs i can 1 shot or even 2 shot enemies?!?
Is this guy pulling my leg or what?|||I've 2 shotted guys in AV.
There is no way in Arena that any class can 1shot or 2shot or even 3shot anyone except for scrubs.
That being said, Ret is doing VERY well in 3v3's. They are decent but nothing amazing in the other brackets as far as I know. They are no longer a joke at least, once geared.
I tend to do very well in BG's, gear for gear. Just started arena and not in an ideal group, so not much to say there.|||Ret is doing well in 3v3, and even there I expect it to get crippled once people start playing old style lineups.|||Why do you think that? Just wondering, won't ever experience any glory there myself.|||Hmmm anyone got a link to a spec for ret pally for pvp arena please?|||Quote:
Why do you think that? Just wondering, won't ever experience any glory there myself.
Ret pally teams have come to prominence because of two things.
1. Druid solo healer teams with no non-druid cc for melee.
2. Double Melee comps being common.
Basically the only 3v3 team with Ret Paladins is Ret/Warr/Healer - Healer is usually druid or shaman.
Thing is, that comp will beat most if not all the melee/melee/healer and druid/x/y teams out there, but the thing is that comps like Druid/Mage/Warrior and Rogue/Mage/Priest can really crap all over the 2 melee (well, except the double rogue varieties) teams.|||You also forget the massive damage possible with Arms Warrior/Ret Paladin/Resto Shaman.
Dropping windfury allows that combo do deal very serious hurt.
Back when i played wow, ret pally in arena was laughable, practically asking to be made fun of.
Now I�ve returned and a friend says that if my seal procs i can 1 shot or even 2 shot enemies?!?
Is this guy pulling my leg or what?|||I've 2 shotted guys in AV.
There is no way in Arena that any class can 1shot or 2shot or even 3shot anyone except for scrubs.
That being said, Ret is doing VERY well in 3v3's. They are decent but nothing amazing in the other brackets as far as I know. They are no longer a joke at least, once geared.
I tend to do very well in BG's, gear for gear. Just started arena and not in an ideal group, so not much to say there.|||Ret is doing well in 3v3, and even there I expect it to get crippled once people start playing old style lineups.|||Why do you think that? Just wondering, won't ever experience any glory there myself.|||Hmmm anyone got a link to a spec for ret pally for pvp arena please?|||Quote:
Why do you think that? Just wondering, won't ever experience any glory there myself.
Ret pally teams have come to prominence because of two things.
1. Druid solo healer teams with no non-druid cc for melee.
2. Double Melee comps being common.
Basically the only 3v3 team with Ret Paladins is Ret/Warr/Healer - Healer is usually druid or shaman.
Thing is, that comp will beat most if not all the melee/melee/healer and druid/x/y teams out there, but the thing is that comps like Druid/Mage/Warrior and Rogue/Mage/Priest can really crap all over the 2 melee (well, except the double rogue varieties) teams.|||You also forget the massive damage possible with Arms Warrior/Ret Paladin/Resto Shaman.
Dropping windfury allows that combo do deal very serious hurt.
New Ret Build for Arena?
I would like to present a completely independent suggestion to a Ret build for Arena.
This build is far from mainstream, and I�m still quite a noob so I�d like y'alls opinions please. Thanks for being considerate and not laughing too hard.
Box
Please tell me why it wouldn�t work if you think it ain�t gonna.
http://wowdigger.com/talent/view/2/0...30312003000100|||Umm.thats only to level 50. If you plan to PvP at 50, you are gonna be hurt. Also, once you hit 50, you get CS, no exceptions. That is Ret's second highest source of damage.
Now, the Prot side is one I've seen for pvp, 0/20/41 build - I plan to do it myself once i get my 4th piece of Gladiator gear (10s off Hammer, plus 15s, can be used every 35s).|||wow . . .um . . . thanks for the notation there whichever mod deleted my post . . . should I not even try to help people follow the rules now?
I thought you all were noting it in the post like "[edited: Valas]" etc, as completely deleting a helpful posts seems totally out of place and annoys the writer . . .
This build is far from mainstream, and I�m still quite a noob so I�d like y'alls opinions please. Thanks for being considerate and not laughing too hard.
Box
Please tell me why it wouldn�t work if you think it ain�t gonna.
http://wowdigger.com/talent/view/2/0...30312003000100|||Umm.thats only to level 50. If you plan to PvP at 50, you are gonna be hurt. Also, once you hit 50, you get CS, no exceptions. That is Ret's second highest source of damage.
Now, the Prot side is one I've seen for pvp, 0/20/41 build - I plan to do it myself once i get my 4th piece of Gladiator gear (10s off Hammer, plus 15s, can be used every 35s).|||wow . . .um . . . thanks for the notation there whichever mod deleted my post . . . should I not even try to help people follow the rules now?
I thought you all were noting it in the post like "[edited: Valas]" etc, as completely deleting a helpful posts seems totally out of place and annoys the writer . . .
Resurrecting in BG's
I searched so if I missed it sorry. I just started PvP'en and I noticed alot of players run from the GY why I have 29sec. left when I do this I get to my body and I have 2min. What gives? am I missing something? I am in the GY alot and it is like every time Im there I see this happening.|||You see them run away but they just probably rezed and are not ghosts, if you get a 30 sec rez timer then this definitely means you just missed the previous timer (counting down for those already at the GY waiting to rez) and have to wait for the full 30 secs again.
ALWAYS rez at the GY as you'll come back with full health and mana, it's only 30 secs, and if you're a pet class your pet will be resurrected as well with full health. Running to your body will often result in a wait to res (if someone loots you), will get you called a nub, or when you do res you don't have full life or mana and have just become a nice target for a rogue to one shot.
Heck, my num-lock key got stuck for a second last night and I auto ran right off the GY hill area in WSG, and though it was an accident, I certainly felt like a noob lol.|||LOL, I have did just that! Although a few times I did it on purpose because I am PvP noob! lol I never thought I would like PvP You can call me hooked now! I havent did a daily besides the PvP in a week! I should get my first piece of S1 equipment tomorrow!
ALWAYS rez at the GY as you'll come back with full health and mana, it's only 30 secs, and if you're a pet class your pet will be resurrected as well with full health. Running to your body will often result in a wait to res (if someone loots you), will get you called a nub, or when you do res you don't have full life or mana and have just become a nice target for a rogue to one shot.
Heck, my num-lock key got stuck for a second last night and I auto ran right off the GY hill area in WSG, and though it was an accident, I certainly felt like a noob lol.|||LOL, I have did just that! Although a few times I did it on purpose because I am PvP noob! lol I never thought I would like PvP You can call me hooked now! I havent did a daily besides the PvP in a week! I should get my first piece of S1 equipment tomorrow!
You don't have to be a *9 twink to own BGs - SS included
Leet 43 Tankadin skills > uber twinked gear
|||Well, you sorted the stats by HK's and your team lost, but gratz on all the assists|||The hunter above you did 49000 to your 12000, good job... and 1 kill to 6 deaths...great
the guy third from the bottom did more damage than you!|||I'm about surviving no damage, and being grey back then they would generally go for me first. I always make sure I'm at the front, get them on me and the people with me do most the killing. Damage and healing have gone up now I'm 46 and still right up there.|||well, you are good at assisting. i assume it was your AoE. Which hardly tickles someone a few levels above you. I wouldnt realy call that owning :) But keep it up as long as it makes fun :) it certainly gives good honor.|||I do fire off an AE or two but mostly get the mine and hold it, taking on anything that comes down regardless of level or class (damn 49 shamans!). Just wish I could shout, "you shall not pass" in Alliance language and wtfpwn a Balgrog occassionally :D|||C'mon give the guy some credit - he's taking a road less travelled (either that, or he got bored on the way to 49... whichever. heh). Twinking out at a low level is an interesting challenge in which you attempt to overcome a 4-6 level disadvantage using your own skill and ability to itemize.
I wish more twinks had the big, bronze balls this guy has... because twinking at *9 is an activity for people who don't have the skill to PvP at 70, or get off on easy wins.|||Quote:
because twinking at *9 is an activity for people who don't have the skill to PvP at 70, or get off on easy wins.
Incorrect, some of us love pvping - regularly I pvp on my 70 hunter (with a preBC "Master Seargent" title and 15k + kills), 68 mage (loving him lately), 49 priest (now 50 so I could get tailoring to 350), 29 twink rogue, and a 27 warrior that I've been leveling from time to time. It's a change of pace pure and simple. Twinks are little projects that some of us enjoy doing. I spent several months researching, questing, buying things for my little rogue. I recently saved up enough honor to get my alliance battle standard. It has nothing to do to with skill (I'm sure there are some sad souls that only twink b/c they can't hack it elsewhere - but this is not usually the case at all). Read one of the 100 threads here about twinking etc, and you'll find that many of those that have twinks - like fighting other twinks - not one shotting dudes all day to watch their epeen grow.|||I have some high level toons and a level 19 twink. I like most aspects of this game and its fun to play with different styles.|||Sorry - I can't take the: "I twink so I can fight other twinks" attitude seriously. I call BS whenever I see that 95% of the time - because when I'm leveling an alt, twinks don't *ignore* me and find other twinks to fight. :)
Do they have a right do whatever they want within the rules for $14.95 a month? Yes. Do they have the *right* to twink? Yes. So don't argue that - you're well within your right to do it.
Do I have to like them? Hell no. Do I have to take anyone who plays a twinks seriously? Hell no (I can understand the fun may actually be in building one and showing him off on the forums - kinda like a classic car that sits in a garage, or a 50 year old collector's item in its original packaging - but to those who actually enjoy playing them seriously, I got limited respect for). Can I think whatever I want about people who twink? Hell yes.
|||Well, you sorted the stats by HK's and your team lost, but gratz on all the assists|||The hunter above you did 49000 to your 12000, good job... and 1 kill to 6 deaths...great
the guy third from the bottom did more damage than you!|||I'm about surviving no damage, and being grey back then they would generally go for me first. I always make sure I'm at the front, get them on me and the people with me do most the killing. Damage and healing have gone up now I'm 46 and still right up there.|||well, you are good at assisting. i assume it was your AoE. Which hardly tickles someone a few levels above you. I wouldnt realy call that owning :) But keep it up as long as it makes fun :) it certainly gives good honor.|||I do fire off an AE or two but mostly get the mine and hold it, taking on anything that comes down regardless of level or class (damn 49 shamans!). Just wish I could shout, "you shall not pass" in Alliance language and wtfpwn a Balgrog occassionally :D|||C'mon give the guy some credit - he's taking a road less travelled (either that, or he got bored on the way to 49... whichever. heh). Twinking out at a low level is an interesting challenge in which you attempt to overcome a 4-6 level disadvantage using your own skill and ability to itemize.
I wish more twinks had the big, bronze balls this guy has... because twinking at *9 is an activity for people who don't have the skill to PvP at 70, or get off on easy wins.|||Quote:
because twinking at *9 is an activity for people who don't have the skill to PvP at 70, or get off on easy wins.
Incorrect, some of us love pvping - regularly I pvp on my 70 hunter (with a preBC "Master Seargent" title and 15k + kills), 68 mage (loving him lately), 49 priest (now 50 so I could get tailoring to 350), 29 twink rogue, and a 27 warrior that I've been leveling from time to time. It's a change of pace pure and simple. Twinks are little projects that some of us enjoy doing. I spent several months researching, questing, buying things for my little rogue. I recently saved up enough honor to get my alliance battle standard. It has nothing to do to with skill (I'm sure there are some sad souls that only twink b/c they can't hack it elsewhere - but this is not usually the case at all). Read one of the 100 threads here about twinking etc, and you'll find that many of those that have twinks - like fighting other twinks - not one shotting dudes all day to watch their epeen grow.|||I have some high level toons and a level 19 twink. I like most aspects of this game and its fun to play with different styles.|||Sorry - I can't take the: "I twink so I can fight other twinks" attitude seriously. I call BS whenever I see that 95% of the time - because when I'm leveling an alt, twinks don't *ignore* me and find other twinks to fight. :)
Do they have a right do whatever they want within the rules for $14.95 a month? Yes. Do they have the *right* to twink? Yes. So don't argue that - you're well within your right to do it.
Do I have to like them? Hell no. Do I have to take anyone who plays a twinks seriously? Hell no (I can understand the fun may actually be in building one and showing him off on the forums - kinda like a classic car that sits in a garage, or a 50 year old collector's item in its original packaging - but to those who actually enjoy playing them seriously, I got limited respect for). Can I think whatever I want about people who twink? Hell yes.
Next season Arena Ret Pally Items
Should we be hoarding honor and arena points for next season arena items? Or should I just go ahead and get items i�m missing now?
Are those new items going to be much better for Retribution Arena?
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...indication.jpg|||S4 is a long way off, get S3 gloves and anything else. Patch 2.4 will bring res to S1/S2 Ret armor also. S2 gear will be availble for honor when s4 starts also.
Are those new items going to be much better for Retribution Arena?
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/...indication.jpg|||S4 is a long way off, get S3 gloves and anything else. Patch 2.4 will bring res to S1/S2 Ret armor also. S2 gear will be availble for honor when s4 starts also.
Difficult Item choice decisions!
An Example:
These are my old bracers
These are the new bracers
Using RatingBuster I was able to determine the new bracers are a higher item level, however they have significantly less Stamina and what i believe to be less damage and mana in exchange for a small 5+ Str. (Enchant and Gem aside)
As a Ret Arena Pally which should i use please?|||Bladespire because s1 ret pally gear has no resilience.
But of course the best option is farm the Vindicators ones :)
These are my old bracers
These are the new bracers
Using RatingBuster I was able to determine the new bracers are a higher item level, however they have significantly less Stamina and what i believe to be less damage and mana in exchange for a small 5+ Str. (Enchant and Gem aside)
As a Ret Arena Pally which should i use please?|||Bladespire because s1 ret pally gear has no resilience.
But of course the best option is farm the Vindicators ones :)
Pally twink , lvl 29
Im tired of 70 5-10 mans , and i like pallys , so im thinking of doing one , im lvl 22 , planning on doing 20-29 bgs , and I need some gear tips.
Maybe if 20-29 sucks im going for 30-39 , wich one is the best ??
thnx in advance|||Both will do good for a Ret Paladin. We are stronger compared to other classes at 20-29 than the 30-39 bracket, however.|||Really good retri armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...n=Disgustipate
Really good healadin armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...eridon&n=Aiuta|||It's also nice to know if you're going to play horde or alliance and if you want to heal or be a Retr damage dealer or prot flag runner.|||Im Ally , I like prot and holy trees , ret dosent have the same survivability
Maybe if 20-29 sucks im going for 30-39 , wich one is the best ??
thnx in advance|||Both will do good for a Ret Paladin. We are stronger compared to other classes at 20-29 than the 30-39 bracket, however.|||Really good retri armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...n=Disgustipate
Really good healadin armory: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...eridon&n=Aiuta|||It's also nice to know if you're going to play horde or alliance and if you want to heal or be a Retr damage dealer or prot flag runner.|||Im Ally , I like prot and holy trees , ret dosent have the same survivability
PvP gear
Just a question for you experienced PvPers out about. I was looking over the gear and weapons and other items in the Champions Hall in SW and I noticed that there is some very nice gear to be obtained. The price though seems to be high, which I fully expect as it is purple so it is considered epic.
I have a few questions. First the honor required for even one items looks very high compared to what I am earning now. I should say that the character I have started to PvP with is quite low, being 38. Not having been to a high level PvP enviornment it would seem that the marks for the BG's would be easy enough to get but what about the honor? Or if there is a guide or some sort of strategy involved can someone point me in the right direction? I am just wanting to maybe expand my WoW experience and thought I might give PvP a try.
New Life|||BG's give more honor at higher levels. At level 70, for example, you get about twice the honor you're getting now. (I think)
Also, it's generally advisable to save your honor points for those items that you won't replace fast through leveling, namely, the level 70 ones. That is, if you're planning to level up to there.|||Thanks Icefrost. I was planning on saving my marks and honor for the 70 gear because of the reason you stated...outleveling the other gear with relative ease.
New Life|||One thing I forgot to ask...is there an honor point max based on level or is the honor you can earn infinite.
New Life|||75k is max you can hold at once
Learn to love alterac valley. You will be there a lot.|||Magikhat...is that 75,000 honor at level 20 and 70 or is that the 70 max?
New Life|||Its the level 70 max. I could be wrong but I think it use to cap out at like 55k if you arent 70. Cant remember honestly. I would jsut concentrate on getting 70 and forget about honor for now.|||Don't forget that you can buy items in other places besides SW. At each of the original BG portals there should be a vendor.
It was only a few days ago that I picked up the AV thingie that gives everyone 10% damage and the trinket that ports me back to home base.|||Thanks for all the responses guys...I appreciate your help.
New Life
I have a few questions. First the honor required for even one items looks very high compared to what I am earning now. I should say that the character I have started to PvP with is quite low, being 38. Not having been to a high level PvP enviornment it would seem that the marks for the BG's would be easy enough to get but what about the honor? Or if there is a guide or some sort of strategy involved can someone point me in the right direction? I am just wanting to maybe expand my WoW experience and thought I might give PvP a try.
New Life|||BG's give more honor at higher levels. At level 70, for example, you get about twice the honor you're getting now. (I think)
Also, it's generally advisable to save your honor points for those items that you won't replace fast through leveling, namely, the level 70 ones. That is, if you're planning to level up to there.|||Thanks Icefrost. I was planning on saving my marks and honor for the 70 gear because of the reason you stated...outleveling the other gear with relative ease.
New Life|||One thing I forgot to ask...is there an honor point max based on level or is the honor you can earn infinite.
New Life|||75k is max you can hold at once
Learn to love alterac valley. You will be there a lot.|||Magikhat...is that 75,000 honor at level 20 and 70 or is that the 70 max?
New Life|||Its the level 70 max. I could be wrong but I think it use to cap out at like 55k if you arent 70. Cant remember honestly. I would jsut concentrate on getting 70 and forget about honor for now.|||Don't forget that you can buy items in other places besides SW. At each of the original BG portals there should be a vendor.
It was only a few days ago that I picked up the AV thingie that gives everyone 10% damage and the trinket that ports me back to home base.|||Thanks for all the responses guys...I appreciate your help.
New Life
2v2 arena
Hey whats the best class to go with a frost mage and another team with a disc priest i was thinkin about rogue with mage and ele shaman with priest?|||There was a video floating around of one of the top ranked teams and they were a frost mage and druid, not sure if it's the best combo, but it looks good here and works for them. If I find it I'll post it up.
Edit:
"our rating was 2504 in Season 1 placing us in rank 3 on our battlegroup, and the highest ranked Mage / Feral Druid combo in the world."
I can't link the video as it's on a warcraft movie site that inc gamers doesn't approve of.
Just google:
"The Fat Cow and The Pro (2500+ Rating)"
and you'll find it.|||Rogue.
Fat cow and the pro got really really lame during s2 apparently.|||I find a lock works well with my frost mage in 2v2.|||rogue mage is cookie cutter right now. Rogue stuns/dps and mage slows/dps and tees off on the stunned rogue targets with shatter combos.|||Ele sham is not good as sole DPS.
Their damage is all except shocks interruptable, which is bad.
Disc priests work with any class, though some more then others... Like rogue, lock, mage or hunter.
Edit:
"our rating was 2504 in Season 1 placing us in rank 3 on our battlegroup, and the highest ranked Mage / Feral Druid combo in the world."
I can't link the video as it's on a warcraft movie site that inc gamers doesn't approve of.
Just google:
"The Fat Cow and The Pro (2500+ Rating)"
and you'll find it.|||Rogue.
Fat cow and the pro got really really lame during s2 apparently.|||I find a lock works well with my frost mage in 2v2.|||rogue mage is cookie cutter right now. Rogue stuns/dps and mage slows/dps and tees off on the stunned rogue targets with shatter combos.|||Ele sham is not good as sole DPS.
Their damage is all except shocks interruptable, which is bad.
Disc priests work with any class, though some more then others... Like rogue, lock, mage or hunter.
Looking for a Ret Spec for Arena
Folks!
Kind fellow players, please throw your blessing of wisdom my way and tell me:
Could you please send me a link or two for ret spec arena pally? I think I�m going to try that out with my level 70 healadin.
Thank you!!|||Look up Pallowin, generally considered the highest rated Arena paladin in the world.|||No go on that. Armory shows no player with that name|||Sorry, eu.wowarmory.com
He's on the Euro forums.|||His armoury page:
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...arr&n=Pallowin
His talent build:
http://wowdigger.com/talent/view/2/0...30313005000100
Kind fellow players, please throw your blessing of wisdom my way and tell me:
Could you please send me a link or two for ret spec arena pally? I think I�m going to try that out with my level 70 healadin.
Thank you!!|||Look up Pallowin, generally considered the highest rated Arena paladin in the world.|||No go on that. Armory shows no player with that name|||Sorry, eu.wowarmory.com
He's on the Euro forums.|||His armoury page:
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...arr&n=Pallowin
His talent build:
http://wowdigger.com/talent/view/2/0...30313005000100
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