To run 2 people in the 5V5 bracket to gather some arena points?|||you need 5 for the 5v5 bracket|||What??? You need 5 for a 5v5? How many do you need for a 3v3 or 2v2???
1v1?|||Well I know you can do 2v3 in 3v3, and 1 v 2 in 2v2, but you need 5 for 5's?
Saturday, April 21, 2012
Two Shamans for Battle Grounds?
Hi,
Me and the g/f got quite addicted to Battlegrounds when we were 38-39, but now we're both 40 we face the prospect of no BG fun for a while, so we thought we'd level some toons up for keeping in the teens maybe 20s. We both thought Shaman would be fun - any suggestions? I know they get travel form later on, but what's good for talents etc?
Any general advice appreciated :)|||resto and elemental would work or resto and enhancement|||Even at low level? They don't seem to have much dps or survivability.|||I am lvling a frost mage (36 now) and a enhance shaman (30 now). When my shaman was 27, she could finish the same quests (wetlands) faster than my mage which was 31 then. I think it was because shaman can do melee and spell damage plus the underwater breathing talent. On the other hand, my mage's spells got resisted from time to time.
Also, when my rogue (70 now) was in 20s, shamans topped the damage meter in my group.
Pros:
Ghost wolf at lvl 20.
Healing
High DPS
Underwater breathing
Lots of spells and totems
Cons:
OMG mana drainer - drink every 3 mobs. Mages have twice mana pool at the same lvl.
No CC.
Too many spells and totems.
I tried AB when my shaman was 28. It was fun to see everyone ran so slowly when I was running in ghost wolf form. When I was losing in fights, I lay down the slowing down earth totem and transformed to the wolf form and ran away... LOL.
|||What about a druid shaman combo then? I have a level 10 druid.
We were thinking to play in the 10-19 bracket so no speed :(|||I found druids kind of boring and not that great before 20-25...|||What about Shamans? They seem to do ok in BGs but I don't see how looking at their spells and talents. A 49 blew me up in like 2 hits tonight :(|||Well, he was 9 levels higher than you. That's why it's generally not a good idea to go to BG's at anything less than *6-*9 (where * is the bracket your in).
The big thought is that the 30-39 and 40-49 brackets are the Enhancement Shaman's best times in BG (when you play them right).
Unless you plan to completely twink them out, I'd go for the 20-29 bracket, as you'll get Ghostwolf (and if you get lucky, that Axe from RFK)|||Surprisingly, apart from the obviously twinked 49s I was holding my own being tanked specced, and certainly swung a few battles with a well timed heal. It was only the shaman that were literally blowing me up!|||At that level, it doesn't really matter what spec you choose as long as your communication is good and strategy is sound.
As you will be a part of a team of 10-15 rather than a 2v2 Arena group, I would actually go both Restro. Keep yourselves and your teamates healed. Just remember, be flexible. You don't have to worry about +Spell Gear or +Healing - an Enhancement Shaman throwing a heal on a companion is like 90% as effective as a Restro Shaman. Restro Shaman may have more mana, but the move itself has almost the same validity. Likewise, a Restro deals almost as much damage as an Enhancement Shaman - especially if you have a powerful +Strength 2 hander w/Windfury you can switch to.
Me and the g/f got quite addicted to Battlegrounds when we were 38-39, but now we're both 40 we face the prospect of no BG fun for a while, so we thought we'd level some toons up for keeping in the teens maybe 20s. We both thought Shaman would be fun - any suggestions? I know they get travel form later on, but what's good for talents etc?
Any general advice appreciated :)|||resto and elemental would work or resto and enhancement|||Even at low level? They don't seem to have much dps or survivability.|||I am lvling a frost mage (36 now) and a enhance shaman (30 now). When my shaman was 27, she could finish the same quests (wetlands) faster than my mage which was 31 then. I think it was because shaman can do melee and spell damage plus the underwater breathing talent. On the other hand, my mage's spells got resisted from time to time.
Also, when my rogue (70 now) was in 20s, shamans topped the damage meter in my group.
Pros:
Ghost wolf at lvl 20.
Healing
High DPS
Underwater breathing
Lots of spells and totems
Cons:
OMG mana drainer - drink every 3 mobs. Mages have twice mana pool at the same lvl.
No CC.
Too many spells and totems.
I tried AB when my shaman was 28. It was fun to see everyone ran so slowly when I was running in ghost wolf form. When I was losing in fights, I lay down the slowing down earth totem and transformed to the wolf form and ran away... LOL.
|||What about a druid shaman combo then? I have a level 10 druid.
We were thinking to play in the 10-19 bracket so no speed :(|||I found druids kind of boring and not that great before 20-25...|||What about Shamans? They seem to do ok in BGs but I don't see how looking at their spells and talents. A 49 blew me up in like 2 hits tonight :(|||Well, he was 9 levels higher than you. That's why it's generally not a good idea to go to BG's at anything less than *6-*9 (where * is the bracket your in).
The big thought is that the 30-39 and 40-49 brackets are the Enhancement Shaman's best times in BG (when you play them right).
Unless you plan to completely twink them out, I'd go for the 20-29 bracket, as you'll get Ghostwolf (and if you get lucky, that Axe from RFK)|||Surprisingly, apart from the obviously twinked 49s I was holding my own being tanked specced, and certainly swung a few battles with a well timed heal. It was only the shaman that were literally blowing me up!|||At that level, it doesn't really matter what spec you choose as long as your communication is good and strategy is sound.
As you will be a part of a team of 10-15 rather than a 2v2 Arena group, I would actually go both Restro. Keep yourselves and your teamates healed. Just remember, be flexible. You don't have to worry about +Spell Gear or +Healing - an Enhancement Shaman throwing a heal on a companion is like 90% as effective as a Restro Shaman. Restro Shaman may have more mana, but the move itself has almost the same validity. Likewise, a Restro deals almost as much damage as an Enhancement Shaman - especially if you have a powerful +Strength 2 hander w/Windfury you can switch to.
The Honor, The Boredom, The Numbers.
After playing 8 Alterac Valley's in a row with my Rogue I switched to my Paladin to cut a +8 Resilence gem for a friend.
I glanced over my Paladin's gear... a mix/mess of anything with +Healing and mp5 on regardless of cloth/leather/mail/whatever
and thought I'd go check out the proper plate healer gear to see the stats and looks.
I was impressed. My Paladin would look awesome in that "Gladiator's Ornamented" gear.
(Mmmmm, lovely.)
So I wrote down the numbers for stuff required for future reference:
Here's the totals for 10 items:
(Chest, legs, shoulders, helm, gloves, boots, neck, bracers, waist, mace.
I haven't factored in rings or trinkets.)
70 Arathi Basin marks
50 Warsong Gultch marks
50 Alterac Valley marks
70 Eye of the Storm marks
~153300 honor points. (That may be slightly off but I'm pretty sure it's close.)
(Why is there no +Heal shield that can be purchased with honor points?)
Suffice to say the appeal of the gear dropped slightly.
I worked out that I can earn around 7000 honor a day, taking roughly 4/5 hours.
153300 / 7000 = 22 days.
If I were to commit to 9000 honor a day it'd be 17 days.
So... my questions are:
How many of you have actually done this? (And remained sane.)
Should I wait for the next patch or start chipping away at the honor requirements now? (Will the next patch make things easier or worse?)
How are PvE rewards in comparisson and would they take even longer to acquire?
Any tips for making the grind less.... annoyingly dull.|||hahah m8 your a legend. i have nearly the full set plus the mace. just about to buy bracers woop.
It does look very nice and is better than most of the stuff that drops in kara for a holy pally.
I work full time so i dont have much spare time, how ever spending most of my days off grinding honor when i can it didnt take too long. Although i had 1 really lucky day where i got like 50 eots marks haha.
But i didnt stay sane, infact i completely lost the plot lol.
After i get the bracers tommorow, i will retire from pvp. Well until wrath of the lichking and the lvl 80 stuff hits the shelves. God i must be insane.
But the best thing about the pvp stuff is......ITS GARANTEED, i wanted the plate chest i remeber from ramparts, i did 14 runs and it didnt drop. Thats my point, pvp might take a while but at least you are garanteed amazing gear after the grind.
Dont wait.. start now , otherwise you will always be waiting for better gear, so to speak.
Tip for making it less boring.... Yes. Put wow in window mode and watch DVDs while playing. haha thats what. i did. i got through the entire series of family guy and planet earth.
Good luck my friend.
All i will say is that it is well worth it. You look seriously cool and stats are insane. ;|||Ahh savier, you inspire me!
Alas, my internet connection is poor this weekend.
(Damn you NTL/VirginMedia, EVERY weekend this happens!)
Thankfully my Paladin has quite a few Marks from various BG's in her bags
but 70 EOTS Marks... *sighs*... I hate that BG.
I guess I'll start tomorrow when my connection improves.
I want to buy the most expensive item first and get it out of the way...
does that make sense to anyone else?|||Quote:
I want to buy the most expensive item first and get it out of the way...
does that make sense to anyone else?
I upgrade first by what gives the biggest boost from my prievious gear.|||Actually, depending upon which is your favorite BG the marks are the least of your problems. I actually like AV/AB and hate wsg/eye so those marks are a pain.
I think the honor numbers are the same for your gear regardless of which class.
The general guideline is to get the marks, then grind AV (or whatever weekend it is for a change) until your eyes bleed.|||Quote:
...
The general guideline is to get the marks
...
Preferably in a pre-made. Helps a lot.|||I have done the equivalent of that grind on 3 characters now.|||Quote:
Preferably in a pre-made. Helps a lot.
Indeed
I also noticed the op is assuming 7k honor per day. That's a bit more than I play, but I'm pretty casual. To help eleviate the boredom just figure that at 7k honor per day you'll be getting a piece every other day, sometimes more frequently due to left over honor. So instead of sweating a 22 grind to get it all done look at it more like one of your dailies and instead of money you get "teh epix!!!!!111oneoneone"|||my priest is 3/5 s1(has 2/5 of the +heal s1) and 2/5 S3
than all the veterans pieces but ring, and the vindicator ring.
you'd be amazed how quickly the honor and tokens roll in if you quit wasting time...get in with a solid premade and 1500+honor an hour is easy in AB/EOTS.
My priest has 3 PvP mounts, everything is Glad/Veterans or better except the weapons and 1 ring. And he has 100 of each mark...but only 9k honor...almost enough for the 2nd ring than its the weapons.../sigh to bad im about to shelve the dwarf shadowpriest in favor of my quickly leveling UD Warlock whom is a smudge of exp shy of lvl 55.|||Quote:
The general guideline is to get the marks, then grind AV (or whatever weekend it is for a change) until your eyes bleed.
Indeed ^^
AV still gives the most honour, even if it's another PvP weekend.
A few tips:
- Engage in arena fights every week. You may get a single S2 piece in a month or so but it saves you grinding. It looks the same (weapon), has better stats and arena only takes 10 times 3 minutes a week. 5 vs 5 gives the most arena points but even 2 vs 2 at low rating is ok.
- Do the daily PvP. It gets you extra honour and some money as well and accumulates tokens.
I glanced over my Paladin's gear... a mix/mess of anything with +Healing and mp5 on regardless of cloth/leather/mail/whatever
and thought I'd go check out the proper plate healer gear to see the stats and looks.
I was impressed. My Paladin would look awesome in that "Gladiator's Ornamented" gear.
(Mmmmm, lovely.)
So I wrote down the numbers for stuff required for future reference:
Here's the totals for 10 items:
(Chest, legs, shoulders, helm, gloves, boots, neck, bracers, waist, mace.
I haven't factored in rings or trinkets.)
70 Arathi Basin marks
50 Warsong Gultch marks
50 Alterac Valley marks
70 Eye of the Storm marks
~153300 honor points. (That may be slightly off but I'm pretty sure it's close.)
(Why is there no +Heal shield that can be purchased with honor points?)
Suffice to say the appeal of the gear dropped slightly.
I worked out that I can earn around 7000 honor a day, taking roughly 4/5 hours.
153300 / 7000 = 22 days.
If I were to commit to 9000 honor a day it'd be 17 days.
So... my questions are:
How many of you have actually done this? (And remained sane.)
Should I wait for the next patch or start chipping away at the honor requirements now? (Will the next patch make things easier or worse?)
How are PvE rewards in comparisson and would they take even longer to acquire?
Any tips for making the grind less.... annoyingly dull.|||hahah m8 your a legend. i have nearly the full set plus the mace. just about to buy bracers woop.
It does look very nice and is better than most of the stuff that drops in kara for a holy pally.
I work full time so i dont have much spare time, how ever spending most of my days off grinding honor when i can it didnt take too long. Although i had 1 really lucky day where i got like 50 eots marks haha.
But i didnt stay sane, infact i completely lost the plot lol.
After i get the bracers tommorow, i will retire from pvp. Well until wrath of the lichking and the lvl 80 stuff hits the shelves. God i must be insane.
But the best thing about the pvp stuff is......ITS GARANTEED, i wanted the plate chest i remeber from ramparts, i did 14 runs and it didnt drop. Thats my point, pvp might take a while but at least you are garanteed amazing gear after the grind.
Dont wait.. start now , otherwise you will always be waiting for better gear, so to speak.
Tip for making it less boring.... Yes. Put wow in window mode and watch DVDs while playing. haha thats what. i did. i got through the entire series of family guy and planet earth.
Good luck my friend.
All i will say is that it is well worth it. You look seriously cool and stats are insane. ;|||Ahh savier, you inspire me!
Alas, my internet connection is poor this weekend.
(Damn you NTL/VirginMedia, EVERY weekend this happens!)
Thankfully my Paladin has quite a few Marks from various BG's in her bags
but 70 EOTS Marks... *sighs*... I hate that BG.
I guess I'll start tomorrow when my connection improves.
I want to buy the most expensive item first and get it out of the way...
does that make sense to anyone else?|||Quote:
I want to buy the most expensive item first and get it out of the way...
does that make sense to anyone else?
I upgrade first by what gives the biggest boost from my prievious gear.|||Actually, depending upon which is your favorite BG the marks are the least of your problems. I actually like AV/AB and hate wsg/eye so those marks are a pain.
I think the honor numbers are the same for your gear regardless of which class.
The general guideline is to get the marks, then grind AV (or whatever weekend it is for a change) until your eyes bleed.|||Quote:
...
The general guideline is to get the marks
...
Preferably in a pre-made. Helps a lot.|||I have done the equivalent of that grind on 3 characters now.|||Quote:
Preferably in a pre-made. Helps a lot.
Indeed
I also noticed the op is assuming 7k honor per day. That's a bit more than I play, but I'm pretty casual. To help eleviate the boredom just figure that at 7k honor per day you'll be getting a piece every other day, sometimes more frequently due to left over honor. So instead of sweating a 22 grind to get it all done look at it more like one of your dailies and instead of money you get "teh epix!!!!!111oneoneone"|||my priest is 3/5 s1(has 2/5 of the +heal s1) and 2/5 S3
than all the veterans pieces but ring, and the vindicator ring.
you'd be amazed how quickly the honor and tokens roll in if you quit wasting time...get in with a solid premade and 1500+honor an hour is easy in AB/EOTS.
My priest has 3 PvP mounts, everything is Glad/Veterans or better except the weapons and 1 ring. And he has 100 of each mark...but only 9k honor...almost enough for the 2nd ring than its the weapons.../sigh to bad im about to shelve the dwarf shadowpriest in favor of my quickly leveling UD Warlock whom is a smudge of exp shy of lvl 55.|||Quote:
The general guideline is to get the marks, then grind AV (or whatever weekend it is for a change) until your eyes bleed.
Indeed ^^
AV still gives the most honour, even if it's another PvP weekend.
A few tips:
- Engage in arena fights every week. You may get a single S2 piece in a month or so but it saves you grinding. It looks the same (weapon), has better stats and arena only takes 10 times 3 minutes a week. 5 vs 5 gives the most arena points but even 2 vs 2 at low rating is ok.
- Do the daily PvP. It gets you extra honour and some money as well and accumulates tokens.
Undead or Tauren Warrior? PVP
Hey ive been wondering which race is better for Arena,BG's,ect Tauren or Undead?|||tauren
:)|||5% stam increase to an allready high buttload of stam is nice.|||Orc > both tbh.|||LIES stun resist is nothing. Id rather have warstomp and +5% health|||Apart from that, Tauren do pretty well on the intimidation aspect. I mean, what's scarier, a huge bull-man charging at you or a small hunched back skeleton/zombie type of guy?|||Quote:
LIES stun resist is nothing. Id rather have warstomp and +5% health
It's not the stun resist alone, it's the ability to wipe off wound poison stacks from poison rogues (thus your team can cleanse off crip with some degree of reliability).|||Here's how I'd rate Horde for warriors for PvP
Orc > Tauren > Troll > Undead
1. Orc - Stun Resistance... you'll find that you have a much easier now that one of the easiest ways to shut you down is no longer viable. And Berserking Fury is a mini-Berserk that, if played well, makes it a worthy tool in and of itself.
2. Tauren - The extra hps when you have 13k-17k is very noticable. It amounts to a 2nd Fortitude Buff by a maxed out priest. Not to mention Warstomp gives you an extra interrupt/escape tool, something warriors do not have an abundence of.
3. Troll - Funny thing is, if you play Berserk right, it can turn you into an absolute nightmare in a 1v1 or even 2v1 situation for 10 seconds. You pop it at 30% life, and you'll gain even more than Bloodlust.
4. Undead - Ironically, I think they're the worst PvP race for a warrior, Horde-side. Between Berserker Rage and the 2 minute PvP trinket, WOTF is not nearly as useful for warriors as it is for other classes.
:)|||5% stam increase to an allready high buttload of stam is nice.|||Orc > both tbh.|||LIES stun resist is nothing. Id rather have warstomp and +5% health|||Apart from that, Tauren do pretty well on the intimidation aspect. I mean, what's scarier, a huge bull-man charging at you or a small hunched back skeleton/zombie type of guy?|||Quote:
LIES stun resist is nothing. Id rather have warstomp and +5% health
It's not the stun resist alone, it's the ability to wipe off wound poison stacks from poison rogues (thus your team can cleanse off crip with some degree of reliability).|||Here's how I'd rate Horde for warriors for PvP
Orc > Tauren > Troll > Undead
1. Orc - Stun Resistance... you'll find that you have a much easier now that one of the easiest ways to shut you down is no longer viable. And Berserking Fury is a mini-Berserk that, if played well, makes it a worthy tool in and of itself.
2. Tauren - The extra hps when you have 13k-17k is very noticable. It amounts to a 2nd Fortitude Buff by a maxed out priest. Not to mention Warstomp gives you an extra interrupt/escape tool, something warriors do not have an abundence of.
3. Troll - Funny thing is, if you play Berserk right, it can turn you into an absolute nightmare in a 1v1 or even 2v1 situation for 10 seconds. You pop it at 30% life, and you'll gain even more than Bloodlust.
4. Undead - Ironically, I think they're the worst PvP race for a warrior, Horde-side. Between Berserker Rage and the 2 minute PvP trinket, WOTF is not nearly as useful for warriors as it is for other classes.
Why world PvP SHOULDN'T suck in WoW
Still can't get my head around the idea that world PvP in WoW is all but useless as far as rewards, where going out and hunting in enemy territory often against greater number is all but worthless. You'll never get amazing fights like this in a BG because you simply can't get 6 Vs 17 in there :(
First one is a little smaller just to give you an idea:
http://www.rynoth.com/movies/dom6vsmany.avi
This one is huge, but in glorious quality. Group of 6 take on 17 WITH the enemy zerging. Was really hoping for more of this in WoW when I came over :(
http://www.denofmadness.com/e107_plu...topic.php?5033|||meh, you can sure get 6vs 17 in a BG..,
Just get two healer friends, a couple of warriors, you and a druid (root) to FW or SP GY, and there you got it!.
Though I agree, world pvp outnumbered battles are way cooler.
Check the druid+warr smashing an BWL raid outside BRM before TBC. Now there's some world pvp :)
Wheeliechamp is the name of the warrior.|||*Wheeliecool and Champ|||Where would I find this? Is there a video? Love watching PvP vids, best way to learn other classes :)|||hrrm, it starts with warcraft, ends with movies. dont say i told.
It's very long though, about 40 minutes, and if you played some 2v2 against warr+druid you will recognise a lot of it...
Though before TBC, it was a gamebreaking in the use of warr+dru synergi.|||Another reason for or how to make world PvP better - contested epics. They were fighting for 3-4 hours non-stop last night:
External site with bad language :)|||Well imo the problem with world PvP is that on most servers the alliance population is twice the number of the horde population.
For instance, on my server Halaa is alliance in 95% of the cases. Try to cap it and you're thrown out pretty quickly just because you're outnumbered.
Same for the Hellfire PvP daily. As hordie the only way you can do this is �r asking the whole guild to help �r do it at 4 AM.
Yes it's nice to have a few skilled and well-geared players defeating a host of enemies, but that's not what 99,99% of world PvP is like.
That's why BGs are better; at least you start off with approxiomately the same numbers.
A good idea would be to give horde yet another attractive race in the next expansion and to give alliance something silly. Only when the factios are 50-50 world PvP would become a nice alternative.|||Quote:
on most servers the alliance population is twice the number of the horde population.
Not on mine. And I only had to check out the next server on the list to see an opposite situation. So it's actually pretty far from "most".
Quote:
A good idea would be to give horde yet another attractive race
I didn't know they have one. Blood elves disgust me more than my undead priest does.
This just to show another thing that might as well be counterproductive with your proposed changes.|||Being outnumbered = more kills over there. The best players, the ones that want PvP, PvP gear and (something like) respect all roll on the outnumbered team.
And undead females are the hottest in game - fact.|||Quote:
The best players, the ones that want PvP, PvP gear and (something like) respect all roll on the outnumbered team.
This is the kind of thinking that has convinced me to stick to the alliance, since everyone I've met on the horde seems to repeat this same mantra.
Even when the alliance is actually the outnumbered side, like on my server.
Quote:
And undead females are the hottest in game
And I never said my priest was female. (Assuming this was a response to my post)
First one is a little smaller just to give you an idea:
http://www.rynoth.com/movies/dom6vsmany.avi
This one is huge, but in glorious quality. Group of 6 take on 17 WITH the enemy zerging. Was really hoping for more of this in WoW when I came over :(
http://www.denofmadness.com/e107_plu...topic.php?5033|||meh, you can sure get 6vs 17 in a BG..,
Just get two healer friends, a couple of warriors, you and a druid (root) to FW or SP GY, and there you got it!.
Though I agree, world pvp outnumbered battles are way cooler.
Check the druid+warr smashing an BWL raid outside BRM before TBC. Now there's some world pvp :)
Wheeliechamp is the name of the warrior.|||*Wheeliecool and Champ|||Where would I find this? Is there a video? Love watching PvP vids, best way to learn other classes :)|||hrrm, it starts with warcraft, ends with movies. dont say i told.
It's very long though, about 40 minutes, and if you played some 2v2 against warr+druid you will recognise a lot of it...
Though before TBC, it was a gamebreaking in the use of warr+dru synergi.|||Another reason for or how to make world PvP better - contested epics. They were fighting for 3-4 hours non-stop last night:
External site with bad language :)|||Well imo the problem with world PvP is that on most servers the alliance population is twice the number of the horde population.
For instance, on my server Halaa is alliance in 95% of the cases. Try to cap it and you're thrown out pretty quickly just because you're outnumbered.
Same for the Hellfire PvP daily. As hordie the only way you can do this is �r asking the whole guild to help �r do it at 4 AM.
Yes it's nice to have a few skilled and well-geared players defeating a host of enemies, but that's not what 99,99% of world PvP is like.
That's why BGs are better; at least you start off with approxiomately the same numbers.
A good idea would be to give horde yet another attractive race in the next expansion and to give alliance something silly. Only when the factios are 50-50 world PvP would become a nice alternative.|||Quote:
on most servers the alliance population is twice the number of the horde population.
Not on mine. And I only had to check out the next server on the list to see an opposite situation. So it's actually pretty far from "most".
Quote:
A good idea would be to give horde yet another attractive race
I didn't know they have one. Blood elves disgust me more than my undead priest does.
This just to show another thing that might as well be counterproductive with your proposed changes.|||Being outnumbered = more kills over there. The best players, the ones that want PvP, PvP gear and (something like) respect all roll on the outnumbered team.
And undead females are the hottest in game - fact.|||Quote:
The best players, the ones that want PvP, PvP gear and (something like) respect all roll on the outnumbered team.
This is the kind of thinking that has convinced me to stick to the alliance, since everyone I've met on the horde seems to repeat this same mantra.
Even when the alliance is actually the outnumbered side, like on my server.
Quote:
And undead females are the hottest in game
And I never said my priest was female. (Assuming this was a response to my post)
Using a keyboard instead of Mouse (not a 'which is better' thread)
Hi guys
This is not a thread about asking which is better, using a mouse or keyboard. I know that using a mouse is more precise, but... I bought a really good gaming mouse, tried to use it more than several times, and it's just not for me.
For one, I play on a laptop, so usually I'm on a sofa with my laptop on my lap. No room for an external mouse next to me. I've tried putting a book next to me and put a mouse pad on top of it...
But I just suck with the mouse, yes turning is very quick I love that, but I'm all over the place in a close fight, and not being able to back up is an issue (my other hand is busy on my action and macro keys, and with my other hand on the mouse... ) I suppose I could program one of my mouse keys as the backup key, but still... I'm very unprecise in my movements and positioning when using a mouse, and again, with a laptop on a coach, it just doesn't work out to well.
So.. my question is for people WHO USE A KEYBOARD and to try to get some advice on making that more precise.
I don't mean about which key you bind to what... I'm a lefty so it's different for me anyway. I use the arrow keys to move, and my left hand is the one that presses all the buttons.
My question pertains to trying to do something similar that you can do with a mouse, which is be able to 'view' for example 180 degrees and then turn that way.
I know with the arrow keys it takes longer to turn than with a mouse as it's not instant, but has anyone figured out a way (or is there some kind of addon) that perhaps helps with this?
Such as a keybinding that would maybe view left 90 degrees each time you press it (and another key that would view right 90 degrees on each press), and then moving forward would instantly make you go in that direction (assuming you were still holding that 'view' key)
I think that would be very useful if such an addon existed, or if there was a way to set that up some how.
Nidanone|||oh , another "leftie"
I dont use my mouse to move (though i tend to "doublepress" and quick turn sometimes)..... one big tip i can hand to you is to use the keypad for moving (5,8,4,6) and use the arrows for macros/targeting/triknets/whatever , easy reached by the thumb.That way i can be a "semi mouser" with my most used spells/abilitys/macros tied to arrow keys.
You can bind the other keypad keys to different uses too...like i got 7 for jump , 0 for autorun etc,etc,etc
A classic move i use withtthe rogue is "jumpturn" , i slap my 7 key and doublepress the mouse and twitch around , its so in my fingers i almoast cant jump anymore without turning|||Why is this in the PvP thread? Not a big deal but it is ironic because not using a mouse is not a huge deal in PvE but a death sentence in PvP. I sometimes use just the keyboard while I am eating or something but if I encounter an enemy toon than the food gets dropped and my hand reaches for the mouse. Which is usually too late...|||That's why it's in the PVP thread... I like PVP, but I haven't been able to get used to using a mouse to play.
So I'm trying to get advice from others who may be using the keyboard to PVP and see how they manage.
Again, I know that using a mouse is way better, but maybe with some tricks the keyboard can come close, I don't know.|||well , i played wow since beta , and did MUCH pvp with different characters....tryed to be a "mouser" several times but never got a hang of it (much because im a lefthander and keyboard isnt really designed for my playstyle, no matter where i put my right hand i seem to doublepress witht humb etc...etc)
I cant really say im "bad" at pvp (and with the rogue is much of controlling to be sucessfull) ..... moving with keys works , and can work good too despite of what all other "pros" say.
Just adept to it with the right skills/macros in reach of your thumb , and use a target key (very important) never ever click to target anything since you have to move your mouse from your "click area" , get a good setup on screen for the buttons (well , i use standard now but thats just from lazyness ) .... and i guess a good mouse is important too (Logi G3 is suiatable for us lefties with buttons we can reach)|||The problem is you're playing a rogue - one of the classes where fine tuning of movement actually is of the utmost importance.
For a mage, it doesn't make a huge difference whether you blast a fireball from 22 yards or 28 yards. The end result is the same.
To a rogue, being on 5 yards or on 11 yards makes the difference between not doing any damage at all and murderising someone.|||Quote:
I cant really say im "bad" at pvp
Thats a poor measurement. Maybe you are good at PvP, but just think how great you could be if you used a mouse as well! I am a lefthander and use my left hand for the keyboard and my right for the mouse...|||Quote:
Thats a poor measurement. Maybe you are good at PvP, but just think how great you could be if you used a mouse as well! I am a lefthander and use my left hand for the keyboard and my right for the mouse...
Oh hell , that is impossible for me i guess , i cant even pick my nose with right hand
And trust me i tryed to become a mouser , but my system works very well for me i guess and i thought i could share it.
And about my own measurment of pvp godness is that ive done it for 2.5 years or longer , rarley loose (xept if i get jumped by a better(counterclass) player that is ) , that goes for most of my characters ... but its witht the rogue i feel somehow handicaped by not mousemoving .... but usually i beat the "frantic running/strafing/jumping(stress) rogues" , just keep a cool head and you usually win anyways.|||Use this on the couch - no need for a book next to you or whatever, get into what ever slouched postion you want :)
Or one of these :)
|||wow those look cool. And I can imagine having better precision with a rolling ball than a mouse I move around.
Do you know what model/product #'s the above are so I can google them?
I have the Logitech MX Revolution now which is still like brand new, I may just sell that and try one of the above.
Thanks
This is not a thread about asking which is better, using a mouse or keyboard. I know that using a mouse is more precise, but... I bought a really good gaming mouse, tried to use it more than several times, and it's just not for me.
For one, I play on a laptop, so usually I'm on a sofa with my laptop on my lap. No room for an external mouse next to me. I've tried putting a book next to me and put a mouse pad on top of it...
But I just suck with the mouse, yes turning is very quick I love that, but I'm all over the place in a close fight, and not being able to back up is an issue (my other hand is busy on my action and macro keys, and with my other hand on the mouse... ) I suppose I could program one of my mouse keys as the backup key, but still... I'm very unprecise in my movements and positioning when using a mouse, and again, with a laptop on a coach, it just doesn't work out to well.
So.. my question is for people WHO USE A KEYBOARD and to try to get some advice on making that more precise.
I don't mean about which key you bind to what... I'm a lefty so it's different for me anyway. I use the arrow keys to move, and my left hand is the one that presses all the buttons.
My question pertains to trying to do something similar that you can do with a mouse, which is be able to 'view' for example 180 degrees and then turn that way.
I know with the arrow keys it takes longer to turn than with a mouse as it's not instant, but has anyone figured out a way (or is there some kind of addon) that perhaps helps with this?
Such as a keybinding that would maybe view left 90 degrees each time you press it (and another key that would view right 90 degrees on each press), and then moving forward would instantly make you go in that direction (assuming you were still holding that 'view' key)
I think that would be very useful if such an addon existed, or if there was a way to set that up some how.
Nidanone|||oh , another "leftie"
I dont use my mouse to move (though i tend to "doublepress" and quick turn sometimes)..... one big tip i can hand to you is to use the keypad for moving (5,8,4,6) and use the arrows for macros/targeting/triknets/whatever , easy reached by the thumb.That way i can be a "semi mouser" with my most used spells/abilitys/macros tied to arrow keys.
You can bind the other keypad keys to different uses too...like i got 7 for jump , 0 for autorun etc,etc,etc
A classic move i use withtthe rogue is "jumpturn" , i slap my 7 key and doublepress the mouse and twitch around , its so in my fingers i almoast cant jump anymore without turning|||Why is this in the PvP thread? Not a big deal but it is ironic because not using a mouse is not a huge deal in PvE but a death sentence in PvP. I sometimes use just the keyboard while I am eating or something but if I encounter an enemy toon than the food gets dropped and my hand reaches for the mouse. Which is usually too late...|||That's why it's in the PVP thread... I like PVP, but I haven't been able to get used to using a mouse to play.
So I'm trying to get advice from others who may be using the keyboard to PVP and see how they manage.
Again, I know that using a mouse is way better, but maybe with some tricks the keyboard can come close, I don't know.|||well , i played wow since beta , and did MUCH pvp with different characters....tryed to be a "mouser" several times but never got a hang of it (much because im a lefthander and keyboard isnt really designed for my playstyle, no matter where i put my right hand i seem to doublepress witht humb etc...etc)
I cant really say im "bad" at pvp (and with the rogue is much of controlling to be sucessfull) ..... moving with keys works , and can work good too despite of what all other "pros" say.
Just adept to it with the right skills/macros in reach of your thumb , and use a target key (very important) never ever click to target anything since you have to move your mouse from your "click area" , get a good setup on screen for the buttons (well , i use standard now but thats just from lazyness ) .... and i guess a good mouse is important too (Logi G3 is suiatable for us lefties with buttons we can reach)|||The problem is you're playing a rogue - one of the classes where fine tuning of movement actually is of the utmost importance.
For a mage, it doesn't make a huge difference whether you blast a fireball from 22 yards or 28 yards. The end result is the same.
To a rogue, being on 5 yards or on 11 yards makes the difference between not doing any damage at all and murderising someone.|||Quote:
I cant really say im "bad" at pvp
Thats a poor measurement. Maybe you are good at PvP, but just think how great you could be if you used a mouse as well! I am a lefthander and use my left hand for the keyboard and my right for the mouse...|||Quote:
Thats a poor measurement. Maybe you are good at PvP, but just think how great you could be if you used a mouse as well! I am a lefthander and use my left hand for the keyboard and my right for the mouse...
Oh hell , that is impossible for me i guess , i cant even pick my nose with right hand
And trust me i tryed to become a mouser , but my system works very well for me i guess and i thought i could share it.
And about my own measurment of pvp godness is that ive done it for 2.5 years or longer , rarley loose (xept if i get jumped by a better(counterclass) player that is ) , that goes for most of my characters ... but its witht the rogue i feel somehow handicaped by not mousemoving .... but usually i beat the "frantic running/strafing/jumping(stress) rogues" , just keep a cool head and you usually win anyways.|||Use this on the couch - no need for a book next to you or whatever, get into what ever slouched postion you want :)
Or one of these :)
|||wow those look cool. And I can imagine having better precision with a rolling ball than a mouse I move around.
Do you know what model/product #'s the above are so I can google them?
I have the Logitech MX Revolution now which is still like brand new, I may just sell that and try one of the above.
Thanks
Arena Q's for a nub
Hey, have never done arena.But have some Q's.
1)Do you have to be lvl 70 to gain arena points?
2)Do you have to have a team already made to earn points? or can you just wait in a Q like BG and get matched up.??
TY|||Quote:
Hey, have never done arena.But have some Q's.
1)Do you have to be lvl 70 to gain arena points?
2)Do you have to have a team already made to earn points? or can you just wait in a Q like BG and get matched up.??
TY
#1 yes you do need to be lvl 70 to do arena.
Prior to that you can do squirmishes (sorry if I spelled this word wrong). In there you basicaly get a feel for what arena will be once your char hits 70. The disadvantage is these give you no arena points.
#2 you do need to be in a team prior to going in. You can either start your own team and invite a friend / guildie/ etc. Or you can join a friend's team.
If you start your own team you will need 1 more signature for a 2 v 2, 2 more for 3 v 3, and 4 more for 5 v 5.
Hope I was able to help you answer your questions|||Quote:
#1 yes you do need to be lvl 70 to do arena.
Prior to that you can do squirmishes (sorry if I spelled this word wrong). In there you basicaly get a feel for what arena will be once your char hits 70. The disadvantage is these give you no arena points.
#2 you do need to be in a team prior to going in. You can either start your own team and invite a friend / guildie/ etc. Or you can join a friend's team.
If you start your own team you will need 1 more signature for a 2 v 2, 2 more for 3 v 3, and 4 more for 5 v 5.
Hope I was able to help you answer your questions
Thank you.Good thing i started BG's.will gear up for arena at 70.thanks.|||Quote:
Thank you.Good thing i started BG's.will gear up for arena at 70.thanks.
Once you start doing arena a good place to then check how much points you'll be getting for the week is at:
http://www.wowarmory.com/arena-calculator.xml
1)Do you have to be lvl 70 to gain arena points?
2)Do you have to have a team already made to earn points? or can you just wait in a Q like BG and get matched up.??
TY|||Quote:
Hey, have never done arena.But have some Q's.
1)Do you have to be lvl 70 to gain arena points?
2)Do you have to have a team already made to earn points? or can you just wait in a Q like BG and get matched up.??
TY
#1 yes you do need to be lvl 70 to do arena.
Prior to that you can do squirmishes (sorry if I spelled this word wrong). In there you basicaly get a feel for what arena will be once your char hits 70. The disadvantage is these give you no arena points.
#2 you do need to be in a team prior to going in. You can either start your own team and invite a friend / guildie/ etc. Or you can join a friend's team.
If you start your own team you will need 1 more signature for a 2 v 2, 2 more for 3 v 3, and 4 more for 5 v 5.
Hope I was able to help you answer your questions|||Quote:
#1 yes you do need to be lvl 70 to do arena.
Prior to that you can do squirmishes (sorry if I spelled this word wrong). In there you basicaly get a feel for what arena will be once your char hits 70. The disadvantage is these give you no arena points.
#2 you do need to be in a team prior to going in. You can either start your own team and invite a friend / guildie/ etc. Or you can join a friend's team.
If you start your own team you will need 1 more signature for a 2 v 2, 2 more for 3 v 3, and 4 more for 5 v 5.
Hope I was able to help you answer your questions
Thank you.Good thing i started BG's.will gear up for arena at 70.thanks.|||Quote:
Thank you.Good thing i started BG's.will gear up for arena at 70.thanks.
Once you start doing arena a good place to then check how much points you'll be getting for the week is at:
http://www.wowarmory.com/arena-calculator.xml
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